Oct. 21, 2020

Teresa Episode 7: RIP Rosa

Teresa Episode 7: RIP Rosa

Join hosts, Carmen and Cristina, as they break down episode seven of the telenovela Teresa. Topics include atole de la esquina, what not to say to a grieving person and the amazing strength of Mexican moms. Many other topics are discussed and many laughs are had. We hope you enjoy it! 

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Transcript
Cristina:

Hi, this is Cristina,

Carmen:

and Carmen.

Cristina:

And this novelas con cafecito, a podcast where we watch the novelas from our childhood,

Carmen:

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Cristina:

Watch with us.

Carmen:

Hi, everyone, this is Carmen

Cristina:

and Cristina.

Carmen:

And this is novelas con cafecito.

Cristina:

And we're twins. We never say that.

Carmen:

You know, every time like anybody finds out, I'm a twin. I was like, Oh, I thought you knew

Cristina:

oh bitch, you didn't know?

Carmen:

How would they know?

Cristina:

Me too

Carmen:

Oh, I thought you knew that already.

Cristina:

Literally, nobody I like barely talk about my personal life at work. And then I've somehow casually mentioned that I have a twin now like, you're a twin. I'm like, Why you didn't know and like, I don't share anything. So I'm like, how do they know? What you mean you didn't know. You can just tell? that

Carmen:

I

Cristina:

part of

Carmen:

I just thought I tell everyone already. And I'm like, Oh, I thought I told you.

Cristina:

Yeah. Anyway,back to this.

Carmen:

Okay. Yeah. So today we're talking about, um, Episode Seven, of Teresa. And I feel like I watch it so early in the week that I already forgot everything that happens. So

Cristina:

Good thing you took notes. Very good notes.

Carmen:

Yeah, yeah. So but that I was gonna say, I think you're gonna have to do the summary.

Cristina:

Oh, I watched it this morning.

Carmen:

Yeah, I figured because you know, some of your notes.

Cristina:

I know. Um, what was I? Why was I? Oh, you know, I so my child had been really good about falling asleep in his crib last week, every night by himself for like, a long ass time. And so I was like, I'll just watch it at night. And I kept saying that every night and this week, every night he kept crying. Like, I'm going to lay down with him because I'm, I don't have any willpower. So I'm like, Yes, child, you need me? and I go and lay down with him.

Carmen:

You're that mom? Actually, I think all moms do that. Because every mom I talk to you. And they talk about like that. And end up just always there like, so.

Cristina:

No, some some moms are tough, and they let their kids cry it out. I'm a weenie. And I'm like, You're crying? Let me go. So for this episode, the, almost the whole No, the whole

Carmen:

I mean, really, only one thing happens, right? Yeah. el velorio, which is. Is that a wake? Not a funeral? Yeah. Except I think it's like a funeral. Well, yeah, it's like a

Cristina:

Yes, bary? Burying? I don't know ESL. wake, because they're not burying. Burying? I can't say that word, by the way.

Carmen:

Yeah. There. So it's the wake for Rosa who passed away in the previous episode, and the whole thing takes place and that they're just all mourning. There's a lot of emotions. Yeah.

Cristina:

That's it.

Carmen:

That's basically it.

Cristina:

Yeah. Yeah. So we start out at the hospital. Everyone is crying and you know, yelling because they were just told that Rosa passed away. The doctors like I'm so so sorry. And Teresa's begging the doctor to let her in? She's like, No, no, she's still alive. Let me go see her and ya know, and then Marinao's like, everything's gonna be okay.

Carmen:

I was like, really? Mariano, you do no, you more than anyone who lost your mom. I don't know how long ago should know. That's the last thing that somebody who's grieving. Like, like fresh grief. I don't know if that's, that's literally but like, she literally just happened and then like, everything's gonna be okay. I'd be like, it's not I'd be throwing hands.

Cristina:

I'd throw hands too like,what everything's not gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be different.

Carmen:

Like she's gone forever, dude. Like,

Cristina:

yeah, you know, sometimes I, people have this urge to fix and fix and fix. And so instead of just letting the moment be, instead of letting someone just grieve, they have to be like, it's gonna be okay, let's do this. Let's do this. Just sometimes it's better to just not say anything.

Carmen:

Yeah, just be there. Like, just, you know, hold a person, whatever, like give space, but like people right away. People don't First of all, they don't always need advice.

Cristina:

Yeah,

Carmen:

and they don't always need to be like comforted with the words and because sometimes you don't know what that person needs to hear. And usually, it'll be the wrong thing that you say so

Cristina:

yeah, nobody thing nobody ever needs to hear. Everything's gonna be okay. Or calm down.

Carmen:

I think calm down is worse. Oh, my God. Did you watch that parody show but the real. It's like a parody about the real housewives reality show.

Cristina:

I've always wanted to and I never have,

Carmen:

oh, I watched there's like, three seasons. And they're each like, I think two or three different like cities and stuff. And um Angela. It's, it's called The Real Housewives of something.

Cristina:

This is the one with like, all the comedians, right?

Carmen:

Yeah, yeah.

Cristina:

I've always wanted to see it and I never have what is it on?

Carmen:

I saw it on Hulu.

Cristina:

Oh my god. Yes. Okay,

Carmen:

Angela um from the office in it and she's just Like Angela from the office

Cristina:

I have to see this,

Carmen:

but I think she's only in the second season. No, no, no, she's in both. But yeah, there's this one part where when one of the husbands says calm down to one of the wives and then all of them first they were all fighting with each other. And then he's like, calm down. And then she's like, what did you say to me? And then he's like, calm down, and she's like, calm down?! Calm down?! And then she flips the table over something.

Cristina:

Oh my god. that's accurate. Point. Yeah, point of all of that was that

Carmen:

don't say calm down.

Cristina:

Don't tell anyone calm down. The worst thing is when I hear like, I'm not judging other parents, but I am. So when I hear parents tell their toddlers Calm down, it's like um, first of all, they don't know what that means. Hold them or whatever it gives them. I don't know it just what is a two year old?

Carmen:

What does that accomplish?

Cristina:

Oh, yes, mom. No, that doesn't

Carmen:

Now you said that. Let me (takes deep breath)

Cristina:

let me rephrase no kid ever know when you know when you don't calm down?

Carmen:

Yeah, that's like the worst way to calm anyone down to tell them to calm down. Yeah, So Mariano. You're wrong.

Cristina:

Yeah. Mariano. Don't Don't say that. We go to la vecindad right after that.

Carmen:

Yeah. So Dona Juana, Cumberto slash Mariachi guy. And Dona Nachita, right. Get to Juana's place or something. Oh, and they don't even know yet that Rosa has died. They're talking about like, they feel so bad for the family. And they hope she gets better.

Cristina:

They're wondering what they can do to help. And so they decided to do Dona Refugio's work, which is planchar ropa. Mm, I'm not gonna say that in English, but it's when you use that thing to like, make

Carmen:

iron.

Cristina:

Yeah, I can't say that word. So that's why I was gonna say it.

Carmen:

One day, I practiced over and over again.

Cristina:

I, I tried.

Carmen:

Because I said, I run.

Cristina:

Yes, Yeah, me too.

Carmen:

And then when someone laughed at me, and I was like,

Cristina:

Yeah, my stepchild was like, it's iron. iron. I can't

Carmen:

Why is there an O after the R if it's iron?

Cristina:

First of all, I have no respect for this language. So don't correct me. And tell him that I was just like, Oh, thanks, Hayden, for helping me with that. But like, in my head. I was like, don't correct me. So they're helping her with that. Then we go back to the hospital. Teresa is asking the doctor why they couldn't save her. Her heart was too hurt but the doctor says as big as fancy medical word again.

Carmen:

Yeah, I'm like, how did

Cristina:

you're speaking to a family like, just say she was born with her heart this way. And it wasn't detectable, which is what Mariano then tells them.

Carmen:

The number one thing they told us in social work, you know, school, that's not, the program. I mean, the MSA program in school, was like, do not use, you know, big, fancy schmancy words, with your clients and your families. like nobody understands when you use like clinical language and stuff. Like Come on.

Cristina:

Yeah. When I worked in family medicine, half the appointment was like, trying to tell them again, what the doctor meant if the doctor wasn't good at

Carmen:

Yeah

Cristina:

, using lay terms, which most of the ones I work with were but there was a few that were not. And yeah, half

Carmen:

Yeah, they didn't understand the time. That's what we spent doing just putting it in better terms, because people don't understand these are big words.

Cristina:

difficult concepts. Well, yeah. And so Mariano explained it to them again. And so then we go back to the vecindad,

Carmen:

the vecindad and they're planchando all the clothes.

Cristina:

Yeah, and then mariachi guy is like, oh, Doa Juana, you're so beautiful. She's like you can't even planchar ropa bien,

Carmen:

Yeah, it's funny because he does the number one mistake yeah, that people do when they're ironing clothes. And he puts a plancha down. Like on top. He sets it down on top of the clothes even remember that

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah, she says it it, It's just it was just funny to me. Because she's like, we've got we're gonna do some real work now. para que me sirves. And she's

Carmen:

big guns.

Cristina:

Yeah. Then they we go back to the hospital, doa Refugi and don Armando are crying, praying to the virgencita. They're like, God is gonna help us get through this and Teresa just walks in. Teresa

Carmen:

is yelling at them. It's just like, God. What, God he did this to us.

Cristina:

Yeah. But then she apologizes. But they're all they're all grieving, but you know.

Carmen:

Yeah. So people process things differently. And she's mad.

Cristina:

I mean, I would do the same thing.

Carmen:

I would too.

Cristina:

Yeah, not gonna

Carmen:

and I wouldn't apologize.

Cristina:

I wouldn't either.

Carmen:

We're Teresa

Cristina:

we cut Back to la vecindad and then this is when they find out that Rosa passed away because

Carmen:

yeah, Aurora calls. Mm hmm. And then we go back to the hospital and Johnny is crying over Rosa's. But what does that thing? Oh Gurney?

Cristina:

Oh, yes,

Carmen:

yeah, yeah, where her body is

Cristina:

I didn't realize that's what he was on.

Carmen:

It seemed like that's what it was on but then right after that Teresa is crying over Rosa's body. He's in a bed so I

Cristina:

empty one. don't know if he's just an empty Gurney

Carmen:

Yeah, I think you're right, because that's what I wrote down. That I was like, Wait, what? That's not her body. And then yeah, it's not. No, no, it's not. So anyway, he just they're crying and then Esp ranza is, like holding him. And hen my, Mariano is just stand ng there.

Cristina:

Like a weirdo

Carmen:

Johnny says that it's his fault, because he knew about her illness. And then he's actually crying like a normal

Cristina:

yeah, it's not all weird and exaggerated. And Mariano, comforts him. He's like, No, no, no. person in the scene. So

Carmen:

Like, it's no one's fault

Cristina:

Yeah. Then Teresa finally goes into Rosa. I'm surprised that that was allowed. She's already passed away. But I mean, it's a novela. So it has to be allowed. I guess. She's blaming them being poor. For Rosa's death

Carmen:

like, she's still on about that. I'm like, lady

Cristina:

had nothing to do with it.

Carmen:

No, I will. I will give it to her that, you know, rich people have better access to like better insurance and better medical treatment and blah, blah. But incurable diseases aren't incurable diseases, and you know, they would have still died.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's like crying and yelling. Entre ser o no ser, yo soy.

Carmen:

That part made me laugh. And at the end of when I watched the episode on YouTube, I like go to the comment sometimes just to see who agrees with me, about you know, the episode, and then somebody was like, Oh, my God, I just couldn't help a laugh when she said, just when she yelled, entr ser o no ser, yo soy

Cristina:

Yeah, she says it like a bunch of times.

Carmen:

Yeah. So it's funny. She's like, like wailing? Like? ENTR

Cristina:

Yeah.

Carmen:

ser o no

Cristina:

Yeah.

Carmen:

So it's funny. It was, it was funny. Oh, and then she swears that something like this will never happen to her again. And I was like, What do you mean? Again?

Cristina:

Like you don't have other sisters, so yeah, yeah.

Carmen:

But like, people die. It's a part of life. It is going to happen again. Yeah, not your sister but your mom, your dad, like what do you mean?

Cristina:

Like, yeah, how are you going to stop that?

Carmen:

shes Like, I'm never gonna cry. And I'm like, What?

Cristina:

It's okay to cry.

Carmen:

Just go to therapy, please.

Cristina:

Yeah, please, everyone. And Teresa. Yeah, I think this this happening is what's kind of sets her off the deep end.

Carmen:

Yeah, I remember you saying that last time that that you remember that Rosa dies and she kind of just like, yeah,

Cristina:

Becomes worse. There's no more playing nice. Which is what she was doing before in case no one could tell. Like the all hands are off the deck. Now she's gonna mean straight up evil and get her goals, getting her goals using her WAP, this is where it happens. Because this is where she's like, this is never gonna happen to me again. I'm gonna get out of being poor. And she saying us over Rosa's body. Then after that Auroraa calls the Profe. She's like Teresa can't make it because Rosa has passed away.

Carmen:

And what a nice friend calling in for your at your job for you.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah. Very helpful. She is she that friend though.

Carmen:

So now we're back at the vecindad, Dona Juana, Cumberto and Nachita are crying. Oh, well. Nachita's like making tea. And Juana is crying and Mariachi guy is holding her.

Cristina:

Right? And this is normal. They're just hugging. He's not even being a creep, you know?

Carmen:

And then

Cristina:

holding her

Carmen:

Dona Nachita has to ruin it.

Cristina:

She said, Oh mejor me voy

Carmen:

It's like

Cristina:

So random like Nachita, they're just crying together

Carmen:

they're fine

Cristina:

Yeah. He's just consoling her and she's like, you two get a room. I'm leaving. Like, then we go to Aida's parents. And I don't I don't really catch what happened here. They are just,

Carmen:

uh, yeah, so they're having breakfast. And Ruben is telling Is this where I learned her name? God already forgot it.

Cristina:

I can't remember her name again.

Carmen:

Her name is Mayra.

Cristina:

Oh, yeah.

Carmen:

But this is not where I learned her name. It's later because I don't have written down here. But either way, they're having breakfast. And Ruben is telling Aida's mom thathe has a lot of work to do before the trip. So he's like, not gonna be there all day. And then she's like, Oh, I have a lot of work to I had to buy this and this and this. I don't have to buy some lingerie. And I'm like, that must be nice. That's your work. Okay.

Cristina:

I want that to be my work,

Carmen:

right? And then Ruben it's like, Oh, don't worry about lingerie. I'll buy you some and Paris

Cristina:

En Pari. Then we go to Johnny and Esperanza and the hospital and they're crying together. And then Ruben calls her.

Carmen:

And I swear when she got that phone calls like you better fucking not leave your people. And she does.

Cristina:

Yeah, we don't see that yet. No, yeah,

Carmen:

yeah. Oh, but also she tells him and at this time what's happening And instead of like being there for her he looks fucking pissed. Instead of like, Oh, I'm so sorry that you're going through this He's like, when the fuck are you gonna be here for some WAP?

Cristina:

Yeah, for my my cuz he thinks its his

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

You know what I mean?

Carmen:

Yeah, he wants to the WAP and he's like when are you gonna be here? Yeah, not Yeah,

Cristina:

not Oh I'm so sorry this is happening nothing Yeah. Then we go to Aurora saying bye to Mariano then in profe walks in

Carmen:

we're in the vecindad, but

Cristina:

yeah my bad yeah we're at the wake now right?

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

yeah this is the actual wake and Aurora is they're saying bye to Mariano and then no no this is the hospital, yes we're at the hospital and Aurora is saying bye and in profe comes in Mariano's like what are you doing here Get out of here. And he's like no I'm here to pay or offer my help my condolences Mariano is like leave Teresa alone.

Carmen:

And then he's like this It's your fault Teresa didn't get to say goodbye to her family because he was she was at your

Cristina:

Yeah, and he didn't know. Profe I didn't know cuz book signing. Teresa didn't mention anything.

Carmen:

No. So it's not his fall it's like really Teresa not mentioning.

Cristina:

Yeah, you know, I still think he would have been like, No, you have to come to my book signing but.

Carmen:

But I yeah,

Cristina:

I guess we don't know. We don't know.

Carmen:

But and also his lips are so ashy. I cannot get over it. Okay, what you hadn't notice?

Cristina:

No, until you mentioned it.

Carmen:

It's like. So back in the 2000s. It was kind of a thing. I don't know if you remember seeing it. They're called concealer lips.

Cristina:

Yes.

Carmen:

That's what his lips look like and it's awful

Cristina:

Are they doing that? I wonder if his lips actually look like that? Or if that's what they're doing with his lips for some

Carmen:

maybe?

Cristina:

Yeah, I don't know.

Carmen:

But they look bad.

Cristina:

Yeah. And then we go to the vecindad, Mariano and his dad. Well, Mariano's dad is home and Mariano walks in. And he's just looking for all his stuff to pawn to help with the funeral. I think he's doing this specifically because it el profe went and said he could pay for it. He was like, no, yeah, I don't need you to do this.

Carmen:

And then we're in Teresa's room. And she's crying. She's holding a picture of Rosa. And then she asked Rosa to forgive her for not being there to say bye. And then while she's in her room crying, the velorio is happening out in the apartment and stuff. And so Mariachi guy is talking to Dona Nachita about how amazingly Juana is and that she's so elegant helping everyone and blah blah, blah.

Cristina:

Not the time or place but oh

Carmen:

no, but I don't I honestly don't think he's been a creep here. I think he's being genuine, he's genuinely admiring her for

Cristina:

Oh, yeah.

Carmen:

Everyone's needs

Cristina:

Nachita takes

Carmen:

she is the one yeah, again. Yeah, again. She's like, don't check her out right now. It's not the time but I don't think he's checking around now.

Cristina:

He was said with Yeah, admiring her helping and stuff. You're right.

Carmen:

Yeah. And so everyone's crying. Johnny's age really shows when he cries. Yeah, like all his wrinkles come out when he's crying.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah, he looks 40 again. Dona Refugio is hugging Johnny. She's like, Oh, I know. Rosa. loved you so much. Gymnastics was her life. This isn't your fault. She She passed doing what she loved. She told me

Carmen:

She is so strong, consoling him. And it's like, dude, she just lost her daughter

Cristina:

let me just I don't I hate like putting a group of people all together, right? But Mexican moms Oh, my God.

Carmen:

Yes.

Cristina:

Oh my god. It reminds me of our beautiful madrina. Well, my madrina.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

Consoling everyone else. When

Carmen:

dude I freakin call her to give her my condolences. And then she was comforting me and I'm crying. I'm like, bless her.

Cristina:

Yes. I called her to from, i was i still in Germany, or was I here? I was here to see.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

But I called her. And same thing. And we same thing. Our brother called her too. And yeah, she was comforting us. And it was our cousin. So her her child her. Her boy, her only boy. He had just passed and she was comforting us. We were crying

Carmen:

it reminding me of ref- or Refugio reminded me of her and I'm honestly I was like, amazed. And now like I think about it. I get chills because I'm like, how can you? How are you doing this?

Cristina:

How are you holding yourself together? How is she comforting Johnny and it's, and I know this is a novela, but it's true. It is so true. We have seen it. I'm sure a lot of people have Yeah,

Carmen:

yeah.

Cristina:

Next we cut to um,

Carmen:

Ruben.

Cristina:

Oh, that's right. Ruben is pacing around like an ass

Carmen:

waiting for her and she gets there and she's trying Talk about what's happening because of course, she said, but honestly, I can't fucking stand her in this fucking part either. She's She's so fucking, uh,

Cristina:

I feel like, so he's like Why are you late? She's like, Oh, it was horrible. The wake was so sad so many. He's like, ya callate. No, he doesn't say

Carmen:

he doesn't say that. Stop trying. But he's he's bad but it's not like outright like that it No, you're manipulative.

Cristina:

Yeah, it's like

Carmen:

, cuz like that. Of course she wouldn't stick around

Cristina:

you're right

Carmen:

you know?

Cristina:

Yeah, it's, it's a lot nicer. It's like, No, no, don't even talk about that. Because, yeah,

Carmen:

it's like, dismissive. It's just

Cristina:

yeah. Mm hmm. Don't talk about that. We're here to be together. I put the whole day off to be with you. Because

Carmen:

it's manipulative. And it is. Yeah.

Cristina:

Then we go back to the funeral. Teresa is crying over the casket.

Carmen:

Mm. Yeah.

Cristina:

Asking for Rosa to watch out for them. Take care of them from

Carmen:

Yeah, so this part made me laugh because she she's like, I was like, really? She She hasn't even been there for like a day and you're already asking her for favors.

Cristina:

favors.

Carmen:

Like for heavenly favors. I'm like, Calm down, man. Let her let her be an angel for like one day. Just chill for one day.

Cristina:

doing Her gymnastics are see

Carmen:

she's all like, I know. You can hear me in heaven. You need to help me leave all of this behind. I'm like, Don't let her be in peace. let her rest in peace.

Cristina:

Yeah. Instead of bothering her favors,

Carmen:

she's probably up for like, Oh my god, really Teresa

Cristina:

bitch.

Carmen:

And then she still says again that she doesn't believe that she died because she was sick that she died because she was poor and she didn't get enough nutrition. I'm like, seriously?

Cristina:

Whatever. Yeah. And Mariano's like, no, it was because of her heart. Stop saying this. And she's like, leave me alone.

Carmen:

She hella yells at him

Cristina:

She does. Yeah. After that. Mariano leaves. Profe walks in, he gives her a hug. And she's like, yeah, you can give me a hug. Not Mariano. She's grieving though.

Carmen:

Yeah, no, I but I do think that when she saw him walk in, she was like, Oh, shit. He's gonna see me all sad and like she can't be her normal. Like, you know?

Cristina:

She did. Yeah,

Carmen:

mani- manipulative self.

Cristina:

Yeah, definitely.

Carmen:

Yeah. So anyway, they're hugging whatever and then we go back to Ruben and stupid Esperanza.

Cristina:

Oh my god. Yeah.

Carmen:

He had told her about the trip. But he said it was a business trip.

Cristina:

A three week the business trip

Carmen:

Yeah, Mm hmm. And then Aida calls at this time. And um Esperanza, like she walks away o change out of her uniform. er non, her fake job?

Cristina:

Because she doesn't need to wear that her job. He knows she doesn't work. Well, you know what? She was still wearing it from?

Carmen:

Yeah, cuz it was all in the Yeah,

Cristina:

yeah,

Carmen:

She was wearing it from the last episode. Um, so then Aida calls him and he tells her he has a busy day preparing for his trip with her mom. And Esperanza like, hears this and she's like, What?

Cristina:

What? This isn't a work trip. What?

Carmen:

And I really wish she would have just up and left right then and there. But I knew she was gonna, like stay because she ran to the bathroom. Like, come on. If you really want to leave, you should just walk out the front door instead of went into crying in the bathroom. Like Come on.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah. Because there's no there's no way out.

Carmen:

No, he's gonna lie his way into her heart again, which is what he does and she's so stupid for believing it.

Cristina:

Yeah, cuz it's outrageous too. So then we go to Mariano and Aurora. They're outside

Carmen:

now they're in the vecindad.

Cristina:

Yes. Now this is the part Yeah. Aurora's Like let's go get coffee. Mariano agrees. Because you know, Teresa wants to be left alone.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

Then we go to inside the house and profe asks to talk with Dona Refugio and Don Armando. He wants to offer his assistance. Dona Refugio says we have everything covered. everything figured out. But Teresa thans him sincerely with all her heart, but I feel like it's an act.

Carmen:

I honestly do feel like is an act too

Cristina:

Yeah, she's like, I will never ever, ever forget your generosity and what you've offered and that you're here and yeah, feels like an act.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

We go outside.

Carmen:

Mm hmm. Aurora and Mariano are getting Atole,

Cristina:

which I was like, mmm Atole

Carmen:

atole de la esquina

Cristina:

Yeah.

Carmen:

It's like a corn based drink drink.

Cristina:

Yeah, I don't know. It's

Carmen:

you know, but which I like better than atole, I don't like atole.

Cristina:

You don't like atole?

Carmen:

No, because champurrado is way better,

Cristina:

Champurrado is the shit. Yes. I love champurrado. Yeah, I do Like atole though, t

Carmen:

Yeah. I like both. But I do like champurrado to No one is way better than other. Yeah

Cristina:

. Oh, no. Yeah,

Carmen:

yeah. Yeah, so I like for me. It's like hot chocolate salvadorian hot chocolate water. Yeah. That No one likes

Cristina:

except for other salvis

Carmen:

that all the lame Mexicans like just kidding. Don't come for me

Cristina:

Don't at me. Don't at me but hot chocolate from El Salvador is superior. Don't at me.

Carmen:

They're like this is? This is poor people hot chocolate

Cristina:

Yes. Yes, because we can waste a shit ton of leche on hot chocolate,

Carmen:

honestly though I love it so much better and because the I think feel like it's like coffee but like chocolate, you know?

Cristina:

Yeah, that's exactly yeah,

Carmen:

yeah. So it's hot chocolate. It's Salvadoran hot chocolate. champurrado

Cristina:

nothing after that.

Carmen:

Yeah, I don't really like atole or rompope

Cristina:

I hate rompope

Carmen:

I do like I do like like Mexican hot chocolate. It is good too.

Cristina:

Okay,

Carmen:

so that'll be next.

Cristina:

salvadorian hot chocolate. champurrado Mexican hot chocolate. And

Carmen:

yeah. And then white people hot chocolate when they put like marshmallows. marshmallows. Yeah.

Cristina:

White people chocolate.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

I had made I made. Well, I make salvadorian hot chocolate all the time here.

Carmen:

I try. I have tried to make Salvadoran hot chocolate. And my husband didn't like it.

Cristina:

Neither did mine

Carmen:

And you know what he likes?

Cristina:

what

Carmen:

it's not. It's like those ugly packets of hot chocolate. Those basic as

Cristina:

hot Swiss

Carmen:

packets. Yes.

Cristina:

Is it hot Swiss? Not I think it's just swiss.

Carmen:

It's swiss or something.

Cristina:

Something. It's like white. And blue

Carmen:

I'm like, this doesn't compare to like the bar.

Cristina:

The nothing tops that bar. Yeah,

Carmen:

yeah.

Cristina:

Yeah, back to Teresa. So Aurora and Mariano are talking outside with the atole. Mariano tells Aurora that they were each other's first loves.

Carmen:

Well he's thanking her for helping Teresa so much.

Cristina:

Oh, yeah.

Carmen:

Um, and then they just started talking about Teresa. And then I think Aurora asks him like how long he's known her. And he's like, Oh, my whole life. She was my first girlfriend.

Cristina:

Yes. And then he's like, and well now we're back together.

Carmen:

And I don't think she knew right. Well, I mean, she's back that I think cuz she saw them at the hospital.

Cristina:

Yeah, she suspected last episode, but nobody from then until now.

Carmen:

Yeah. And then she gets like, shaken up. She's like, Oh my God. And she, is this where she drops the atole on herself?

Cristina:

and I don't blame her for getting shocked. Yeah, this is where she drops the atole, cuz fuckin Teresa told there.

Carmen:

They've been together. Yeah, who knows when she doesn't know how long

Cristina:

Yeah,

Carmen:

but right before daughter passed away right before this, Teresa was telling her to pursue him. Yeah, I think she knows in her head like, like, No, she wouldn't have got back with him. Right when her sister died. They have to have been together before then. So she's like, what the fuck? Why would she tell me this shit? Yeah. drops atole.

Cristina:

Yeah, and ouch that shit is hot. That's

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

Mariano wants to help her. But she's like, No, no, no. Leave me alone. Don't touch me. I'm gonna go get one of your neighbors to help me. Yeah,

Carmen:

yeah. Okay, so then we're back with Ruben and Esperanza. I'm just like over them. Like, there's no point in talking about this. He fucking lies she's fucking crying but she's ends up falling for his stupid as fucking shit

Cristina:

I just want to touch on how outrageous her lies are. His lies, my bad. his , how outrageous his?

Carmen:

Oh, yeah, you're right. I did want to talk about that

Cristina:

So He's like that. mi hija va a regresar a ser drogas if you don't go if I don't get back with my wife. What

Carmen:

If I was Aida and I found out that my dad was telling people that I was, you know, that he has to be back with my mom, or else I'm going to be doing drugs. Like, I would be like, I'm disowning You, now. Like, no

Cristina:

yeah, I mean, there's such such garbage and

Carmen:

yeah, they're not even good lies, like, Oh, my, my daughter and what? No, yeah. And but then he says, he's like, um, I told my daughter that I'm going on this, you know, trip because there's going to be like a last minute, like effort. And she says, like, with her permission, basically, if this trip doesn't work out, then she said, I can divorce her mom. Like, first of all, why are you letting your child

Cristina:

dictate your relationship

Carmen:

Exactly.

Cristina:

That's it. I mean, if all the other red flags were not enough for Esperanza, this should be

Carmen:

they're not. And this is not enough

Cristina:

no, it's not. Yeah. So she believes his stupid lies.

Carmen:

And then he says his daughter annoys a shit out of him. I always asking her to get back with her mom. And I'm like, imagine your dad talking that way about you?

Cristina:

Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would. Well, she's rich though. So you can't really disown them. Because then yeah, yeah, she's for herself, you know. So then we go back to Aurora and Mariano. She's like, I'm so happy. Oh, no, no, no, this is where she spills atole on herself.

Carmen:

You're right. My bad we jumped ahead

Cristina:

so she's like I'm so happy for you too. And then she spills atole on herself. And he's like, I want to help and she freaks out and she's like, No, leave me alone.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

Poor Aurora again, I don't blame her for freaking out. She really liked him Teresa encouraged her pursuing him. So

Carmen:

she did.

Cristina:

Okay and then with this as well. There we go, because it jumps back from the atole scene, to esperanza and ruben.

Carmen:

Back and forth.

Cristina:

Basically what we just said is what happens.

Carmen:

Yeah. So then they're back to Esperanza and Ruben and then this is when I found out that Aida's mom is Mayra. And he's still lying to her saying that they don't have any intimacy between each other which is has to be a lie because they're talking about getting lingeire in Paris, Esperanza's fucking dumb ass self believes him.

Cristina:

Yes, yeah.

Carmen:

And this is when he says that he's only getting back with her so his daughter will stop doing drugs.

Cristina:

Yeah.

Carmen:

And they make up and get it on. Yeah.

Cristina:

And he's like, I thought this was just a fling that this is just going to be a fling. But I love you. I don't know when I started loving you. But I would be like, whatever, dude.

Carmen:

I'd be like, just give me some money and let's get this over with

Cristina:

some money. Yes. Pay me for my WAP. And let me leave.

Carmen:

Yeah, like why can't she be like Teresa?

Cristina:

So seriously, she wouldn't be much better off if she

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

like that Teresa. Then we go back to Aurora and Mariano walking. Mariano sees el profe leaving. And he's like, What the hell are you doing here? He's super mad. But profe and leaves and Auora was like, Well, what was up with that? Why are you being so rude to him?

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

he's a good person. He just wants to help. He's helped many students before. Yeah, he admits he's jealous. And she's like, you have nothing to worry about. But he does.

Carmen:

Oh, yeah,

Cristina:

they get

Carmen:

she does too. They all do.

Cristina:

They all do because Teresa she's gonna go full

Carmen:

bitch mode. I don't know what you call it.

Cristina:

Full revenge mode.

Carmen:

She's gonna go full Teresa actually.

Cristina:

Yeah, she's not full Teresa but she's after this to be

Carmen:

Like. Like, she hasn't reached her full. It's like a Pokemon thing. Like, you know, when they What does that word when they become the next Pokemon?

Cristina:

evolution?

Carmen:

Oh, yeah. Never mind. It's just

Cristina:

I don't know where you're going with it either. Auorora is talking to someone after they walk in from

Carmen:

Oh, it's the coach.

Cristina:

Oh, my God. So like, Who is this?

Carmen:

Because I the gym coach. And like, I think she I think they worked it out between themselves so that the hospital bill will show that the gym paid for everything. And not Auora and then the gym coach is. Like, why didn't you want them to know? And then because she's a little angel. That's why she basically says, you know, like, Why don't want like Teresa wouldn't want me to you know, pay for if Mariano knew that he would try to pay me back and he doesn't have the money. And I mean, she's just She's amazing. Because like, like, okay, so for like, compared to the profe, who I don't think he had bad intentions in offering to pay. But it's like, sometimes, you know, people with money don't know that, like people that are living in poverty like you know, they don't want you to offer them money all the time. Like it could sometimes it could be demoralizing to them you know, and here comes Aurora, who does it anonymously like and doesn't expect any praise anything in return.

Cristina:

She's an angel, a literal angel. Like we have that many too many times.

Carmen:

literal Angel.

Cristina:

Yeah. literal Angel. literal. I said that weird the first time. Then. Teresa apologizes to Mariano for talking to him the way she did and she blames not having dinero again.

Carmen:

She still refuses to see the reality. I think she at his point She's just like delusional and grief has thrown her into this delusion.

Cristina:

Yeah, that that Rosa had died because they don't have money.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

Aurora sees them. And then leaves. Then we go to their house.

Carmen:

Yeah, so now it's nighttime and they're walking. I guess they're walking back into their empty apartment.

Cristina:

Yes, yeah. The wake is over the aparment is now empty they walk in with Dona Juana. they're just all saying nothing's going to be the same ever again. And they're right.

Carmen:

They're all crying.

Cristina:

Dona Juana is like, tienes que segir adelante, there is nothing else you can do

Carmen:

yeah,

Cristina:

time is gonna pass. But Teresa refuses to hear it. So it's the next day they're sitting at the table Teresa's like Rosa is gone but I'm here I love you guys. Refigio says, Dona Refugio says we have to stay united we have to support each other.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

Then Teresa's like Rosa is not gonna be able to see my accomplishments but I'm gonna put in extra work

Carmen:

she's gonna like go even harder for it also and I'm like, I think I think Rosa would have wanted her to be there for her parents and to you know be in community with everyone because Rosa was down for the vecindad

Cristina:

Rosa was Yeah,she was

Carmen:

and she would not have wanted Teresa to do things the way she's gonna do them and don't like for her to be like this is for you. It's like come on.

Cristina:

No one, absolutely no one, Teresa: I'm gonna go extra hard for Rosa and ditch everyone in la vecindad and fuck them. And that's not what I would have wanted

Carmen:

no

Cristina:

Mariano is sitting outside. He's waiting for Esperanza, so he can talk to her because he hasn't got a chance to after his talk with the doctor. He's talking to Esperanza and he's like, what's going on? Because I know those labs weren't free. That's not how things work.

Carmen:

I really wanted her to

Cristina:

confide in

Carmen:

Confess. And like say, but I think you want to judge the shit out of her and been like the fuck?

Cristina:

Yeah, he's, he says, You can tell me I'm gonna be supportive. But if he'd know she said the truth, you'd be like, What? What is wrong with you. Yeah, that's not what you're supposed to be doing. But she says something different. She says I wasn't employed, but I am now everything's good now. And he's like, oh,

Carmen:

like I half truth. And you know what he says? He's like, you know, basically, at some point, he's telling her to be careful with like the lying because it's, you know, it's gonna, it's gonna get messy and that's already what's happening to her.

Cristina:

That's exactly what's happening. Yeah,

Carmen:

yeah,

Cristina:

the lies are gonna get all mixed up and it's happening. We got to Aida's parents and Genoveva at a fancy rich people club.

Carmen:

Country Club. Yeah,

Cristina:

yeah. They're talking about their kids having fun, but not too much fun. They have to be careful, which is weird. And yeah, the whole conversation seems weird.

Carmen:

It's weird. It's so weird. Oh, yeah. Oh, nevermind

Cristina:

Genoveva says, I always tell my son to be bad, but be careful or some shit like that. Like what?

Carmen:

What did she say? Yeah, but it was something like that.

Cristina:

Yeah, basically, like, I would rather tell my son to,

Carmen:

but you know what it reminded me of though. Remember when we in Oakland that lady Franciss that mami would hang out with and we would hang out with her kids like altogether?

Cristina:

They were in school with us

Carmen:

Yeah, yeah. And so then Francis was like she say something?

Cristina:

Cuiden a sus hijas de mi gallo.

Carmen:

Yeah, something like, but it's like actual saying.

Cristina:

That's not it?

Carmen:

Oh, I don't know how it goes

Cristina:

hold on?

Carmen:

No. How would that even make any sense?

Cristina:

I'm pretty sure that involved

Carmen:

Cuiden a sus galli, how do you say female gallinas? Oh.

Cristina:

Female gallinas, it is cuiden a sus gallos de mis

Carmen:

que mi gallo esta suelto or some shit. gallinas

Cristina:

Oh, you know what? Yeah, let me

Carmen:

I'm telling you you're not saying it right. Cuida a tus gallinas porque, que mi gallo esta suelto something like that

Cristina:

cuiden a sus gallinas, que mi gallo anda suelto Oh, yeah.

Carmen:

See?

Cristina:

Okay.

Carmen:

I told you.

Cristina:

You were very close. And I was not.

Carmen:

I was close. I was close.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what Genoveva, same. same attitude. She's conveying same vibe. Same vibe. Yeah. Same energy, which, is. My son's gonna do whatever he wants. Boys will be boys.

Carmen:

Yeah, which is like

Cristina:

And you tell your daughters to be careful. Like no bitch teach your son to value women.

Carmen:

Well, yeah, but this is the same son that assaulted Teresa. So?

Cristina:

Yeah, exactly. So he's, it's already too late for him.

Carmen:

Yeah, it is. He's long.

Cristina:

And look at the mom. Yes. Look at the shit She's saying

Carmen:

exactly, exactly.

Cristina:

Of course he tried to assault Terrea.

Carmen:

And so then MayraI gets up from the table where they're all hanging out when she leaves and I knew I knew they're gonna bring up something. And so I remember how you said that you thought Genoveva And him hooked up in the future, and I think they do again in the future. But they already had their affair. Yeah. She's basically like, Oh, como te extrano

Cristina:

Oh, I know.

Carmen:

And he's like, shut the fuck up. This time He is like, shut up.

Cristina:

Yeah, she's like, so you're going on a trip? Like a honeymoon? How I wish that we were going on this trip. He's like, ya callate

Carmen:

cierra el osico

Cristina:

we go back to la vecindad. This is where

Carmen:

Oh, this is where she makes up the lie. Okay, so

Cristina:

wer'e back in la vecindad

Carmen:

and esperanza and Mariano are still talking and this is when she tells him about how she was fired. But now she has another job and then Mariano is like Be careful with the lies you're gonna get caught the fuck up.

Cristina:

Yeah, and then she's like, and you know what if something comes true for me, then I'm going to be so happy what she's talking about?

Carmen:

I think she's talking about Ruben leaving his wife but See, this is why she needs to be like Teresa, use Ruben for his money, get the money and get the bag. You know, and then leave him but don't like, Come on men like him. They never leave their wives. This is what they do. They have affair after affair after affair and they always stick with their wives.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah. And but she doesn't know. She doesn't know

Carmen:

how I'm like, how can you be this naive?

Cristina:

Yeah, and I wonder if Teresa is actually going to hook up with him because that's gonna burn. Every bridge. She has

Carmen:

she she by the end of the novella. She does burn every bridge she has

Cristina:

Okay,

Carmen:

she does.

Cristina:

She's gonna burn us but yeah, she's gonna

Carmen:

the whole neighborhood stops talking to her.

Cristina:

Oh, okay. I wonder if she does to Dona Juana then.

Carmen:

I don't remember.

Cristina:

Yeah, because yeah, her revenge is going to Aida is going to involve Ruben but Ruben is still with Esperanza.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

so that's where that bridge is gonna burn.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

And obviously Teresa hooking up with all these men. Mariano's not gonna want to be with her right?

Carmen:

No, he leaves her and gets together with Aurora at some point.

Cristina:

Mm hmm spoilers.

Carmen:

this shit is old. We don't need spoiler advice. Everyone has to have already watched it.

Cristina:

Oh, did you know that in the Philippines, they redid this novela Teresa.

Carmen:

I didn't know.

Cristina:

Yeah, yeah. And like 2017

Carmen:

but I know they love their novellas too because I watched like a scene of one. And it was so funny. Like, it was the love.

Cristina:

Yeah. Filipino culture. It's like they're like us. They're like us.

Carmen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina:

So they they love their novellas. We love our novellas and then Korean soap operas are the shit too.

Carmen:

Have you watched them because I always hear about them. But I've never

Cristina:

I used to watch a little bit when I was in the army and I had a Lu, she was my one of my buddies. We would hang out in her barracks room and just watch Korean soap operas They are top notch too. Alrig t, so back to this. We're bac in la vecindad, in Teresa's ro m, right?

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

She's telling Rosad things are gonna be different now. I don't deserve to be poor.

Carmen:

I'm like, Oh, well, Teresa no one deserves to be poor.

Cristina:

Yeah, you Yeah.

Carmen:

This is like the total like capitalist mentality that?

Cristina:

Yes,

Carmen:

I'm like, No, this is a socialist podcast. I'm just kidding ok, what.

Cristina:

Well, I Yeah, I do have socialist beliefs. So if you don't then don't at me. But I saw this tweet today. That was like, capitalism. Bad. socialism. Good. Me sexy. For some reason laughing at it. Like it's not that funny, but it was hilarious to me. So yeah, Teresa is in her room.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

crying.

Carmen:

And so then she's like, I'm tired of this. And she decides to change. She grabs all the slutty dresses from her closet,

Cristina:

and she chooses the purple one yeah,

Carmen:

.And then went Juana walks in and she's getting all like crying like bawling her eyes out holding her slutty her slutty dresses and she's trying to change. But she's dresses like she's in her bra because she's trying to change like, this is like a breakdown. Like, it's like nuts, right? She's like, and she's like, I'm tired of crying. I'm tired of looking like trash. And Dona Juana is Like, your sister just died? Like you don't need to look good.

Cristina:

She's like at least wait until the what is that called? Nove? when the nine days passed?

Carmen:

Novena?

Cristina:

, no, no. Yeah. Like No. novenario? I do I don't know how you say it like that.

Carmen:

But she basically telling her like, you know, just do because they have the traditional grieving like process nine. Yeah,

Cristina:

it's typically nine days of like, the resando con un Rosario.

Carmen:

Yeah,

Cristina:

That you do every day. Yeah, I don't think it's done here. Which is why I was like, trying to explain it.

Carmen:

Uh, some people do it still. Well, I mean, not here. Like Mexicans here do it.

Cristina:

Yes. No. Okay. It's not an American thing to do.

Carmen:

But I don't know if it's a Catholic thing. I don't feel like I don't meet any like white Catholics. So I don't know.

Cristina:

Yeah, same. So I don't know. But it is a it is a Catholic thing in Mexico and Mexicans here to the nine days pass you pray every day your wear black every day.

Carmen:

Yeah.

Cristina:

And so Dona Juana is telling Teresa,? Oh esperate

Carmen:

like for respect for your sister and your parents. At least wait this and she's like, No, no, no, no, no, no. And she's like grabbing her dress

Cristina:

and this is where it ends.

Carmen:

Well, she goes on saying like, Oh, this kind of stuff doesn't happen to rich people and then Dona Juana is like this happens to everyone.

Cristina:

Oh, you know what? Okay, but the YouTube episode I watched got cut right there No wonder I didn't see the credits rolling.

Carmen:

Oh, yes. They may she basically just still saying the same thing. She's been saying the whole time like she dies because she's poor. And then Dona Juana is like no, like, people will die. This is a part of life. This is normal. Like, you know, just respect the grieving process. Respect your parents and she's like, no.

Cristina:

Oh, okay. Okay.

Carmen:

And yeah, this is where it ends.

Cristina:

Okay.

Carmen:

It basically is saying just a little more talking.

Cristina:

But this is like a pivotal point. And la novella, this is where like I said, this is where Teresa officially becomes ruthless and yeah gonna get Yeah, yeah if you if she had any if you notice any

Carmen:

this is where she stops giving a fuck, like if you th ught she gave fucks before they're gone. They're out the window, all gone. Everything she she got the last of her fucks, wrapped them up in the little like bag and threw them away.

Cristina:

Yeah, I don't need these anymore.

Carmen:

These fucks? Nah, nah,

Cristina:

these fucks can go

Carmen:

And then I'm like trying to remember exactly what you know. I just I'm excited to see what happens because I don't remember.

Cristina:

Yeah, I think this is what she's gonna 100% pursue el profe, I think this is where it starts happening

Carmen:

I think you're right and then this is why her and Mariano eventualy break up because she doesn't leave Mariano while she's trying to pursue el profe.

Cristina:

No, No, she doesn't. And at some point, she also pursues Paulo at the same time. Hmm, all three of them. I don't know. I don't remember but I do know this is what she's gonna start pursuing el profe more.

Carmen:

Yeah, yeah. Hardcore.

Cristina:

But yeah, this is it. If you have been enjoying this podcast,

Carmen:

give us a five star review

Cristina:

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Carmen:

And the tubes you can find us on the tubes

Cristina:

oh yeah the tubes

Carmen:

YouTube.

Cristina:

Yeah. El YouTube's and this is where you can find our our blooper videos and little extra clips here and there mostly blooper videos.

Carmen:

Yes. Yeah. Thank you.

Cristina:

Thank you, which is nice. Yes. Tune in next week.

Carmen:

Bye, everyone.

Cristina:

Bye.